Have a look at this map by McKinsey of global innovation hubs, Bristol is identified as a ‘Hot Spring’ of innovation,
“…hubs tend to develop a specialism and build credibility as an ‘innovation hot spring’, often around a small number of companies, before expanding.”
Interestingly, Bristol is not far behind London in terms of significance on the map, and is one of only five cities in Europe named by the map.
McKinsey also argue that “…hot springs are typically driven by either targeted, government-led investment projects.” How well do we do on that?
Well government support in Bristol is patchy; there have been great examples of far-sighted grant funded projects which go beyond cash handouts to individual companies (not interesting) and instead focus on producing network benefits by developing collaboration, a culture of innovation, and drawing in talent to the city. This should be recognised, encouraged and applauded.
What should be condemned forthrightly is the absence of any sense of high-level consistent support and vision from local agencies charged with supporting innovation.
To provide some context, on Radio Four’s Today programme this morning, Gordon Brown said “…at the same time you’ve got to plan for the future, so we know the green economy, green jobs, digital economy, highly skilled economy, our creative industries, our advanced pharmaceuticals, advanced manufacturing, these are the sectors that are going to do well in the future, so we’ve got to invest“.
I know a large number of founders and directors of Bristol based innovative creative businesses. It’s far from clear to us that the vision (articulated by Gordon Brown, but predating his adoption of it) is understood by local public sector bodies, key among these being South West RDA.
Those of us who’ve attempted to engage over the years with these bodies (including, but not limited to SWRDA) are frustrated by messages of inability to help, and the utterly tedious sector politics between different public bodies.
Let’s be clear: those of us building innovative creative businesses are in the business of getting things done; we have a vision of growth, and being the best in the world.
Public sector politics is of *zero* interest to us, and we consider it an absolute waste of our time. Too often the sense is that we are a ’supplier’ being ‘commissioned’ to ‘deliver outcomes’. Screw that: we are the customer here, the public sector is the supplier, and we are demanding service.
That said, let me also be absolutely clear that when support has been available, that support has been brilliant. It has also usually been driven by visionary, almost renegade individuals who have no thought of sector politics and whose concern is not their public sector career path, but to *get things done* .
What is hugely problematic is *not* that *nothing* has ever been done, it’s the lack of consistent high level vision. Every few years we seem to have to start from scratch with building the case for support to address market failures. Let me repeat that last line: we are looking for support to address market failures: recruitment, training, networking, publicity, high risk innovation. We don’t need and are not looking for simple cash handouts, we’ll leave that to banks, thanks.
I want to see this scrabbling replaced by a sense of momentum and *building on success*. We have this incredible opportunity to be a global centre for innovation in high tech creative businesses; that will be hugely valuable to the city region over the long term.
Meanwhile, from the outside looking in, public sector often seems unable to think beyond the idea of securing its own organisational funding, careers and consultancy fees.
Some (not all) of you guys appear to be stuck in some kind of ridiculous zero-sum game, where a loss for someone else is a win for you and vice versa. You don’t seem to understand how to play for the long term. Better ways exist. Ladies and gentlemen, time to get your eyes up and start looking at the bigger goal. This is a call to arms.
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Postscript 2: feel this is unfair? Want right of reply? There’s a comment system on this blog. Lets have a conversation in public.
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Postscript 2: industry people, business owners, this is a call to arms for you as well. This is not a blame game. The future will be what we make of it.
Andy,
I wholeheartedly agree with you on this. There does seem to be such an amazing difference in what the local support organizations are doing and what central government (and even the people in the local support agencies) say they are doing.
Two specific examples of this:
1) BMEX. This is a working network of high speed broadband running in Bristol. It has been successfully running now for about 6 years. It *is* delivering high speed broadband to creative businesses in the UK. But it needs some additional funding, as so far it has been funded entirely by the connectees to a total sum of about £200K total over those 6 years. That has paid the workings of the network, but no money for promotion, advocacy, etc. Let me repeat this a bit louder: IT IS A WORKING, DEMONSTRATED, SUCCESSFUL PROJECT DELIVERING A KEY OBJECTIVE WITH A DEFINED NEED FOR SOME FUNDING FOR GROWTH. Yet SWERDA have absolutely no interest in it. A study on BMEX was commissioned by SWERDA last year (costing them probably about a year’s worth of BMEX’s current funding)… yet still nothing.
2) Accelerate Programme. This is a programme intended to help south west digital agencies to grow. We (Netsight) are on the programme, and are coming to the end of the year-long project. What has it achieved? In real financial terms? Nothing. I’ve no idea how much money SWERDA are putting into it, so I have no way of finding out whether our outcome is value for money. I’ve called SWERDA and can’t actually find anyone who’s even heard of the project.
-Matt
“Public sector politics is of *zero* interest to us”
Couldn’t agree more with you Andy.
Unfortunately Bristol has been blighted by public sector in-fighting for the 30 odd years I’ve lived here.
I’d argue that one of the major reasons the ‘Innovation industry’ has succeeded in Bristol, is precisely because it can get on without the help of local authorities. (Low set-up costs, worldwide collaboration, open source etc).
John – useful comment. I’ve thought the same thing before and agree to a point. However at a certain level government investment becomes essential to deal with market failures in simple areas like training and promotion of the city, as well as risky R+D. ‘Low cost’ models can’t afford to make costly long-term investments because the focus is on short-term revenue. This leads to a stagnating innovation pool with lots of small dying fish in it (McKinsey identify this in their report). Moreover, and I don’t know how well this comes across, we need city leaders who consistently articulate a clear vision of long-term success in innovation and creative industries.
cheers,
Andy
Good post Andy. I like the quote…
“…hubs tend to develop a specialism and build credibility as an ‘innovation hot spring’, often around a small number of companies, before expanding.”
I think the problem is not
government funding but giving
people permission to invent
and innovate. Creating a buzz.
I also think a hub could start
in Bristol but needs to be in the context with Open sharing
with world.Ideas in the 21st century
are global not local.
It would suffice to look around
the world at innovative hubs
and pick up the mind set. I would
argue that there is nothing
special about these people, but they
just got the mind-set.
My own observation from a long history of working in some highly innovative organizations is that
innovation is infectious when it
breaks out. It requires an open
mind set, confidence, permission,
and collaboration.
I would argue and I can back this
up – invention can be taught and
it can be learnt. Anyone can be
innovative – it is human nature.
(adaptive behaviour)
I was fortunate enough to visit the
MIT Media lab a few times while
working with MIT in the mid-1990s. It appeared that totally
amazing ideas were happening in every corner. All of these ideas
survived “elevator pitch” test.
You could explain them to the CEO
during a short elevator ride.
When HP merged with Compaq they
took an executive decision
to rebrand as HP-Invent. People
were given permission to invent!
All of a sudden patent filing went
through the roof. People learnt
how to have innovative ideas in
systematic way and file them.
When I was at IBM in Austin Texas
in the 1980’s.The CEO of IBM
declared that within a decade
20% of IBM’s revenue would be
gained through royalties on
inventions. I was amazed that all
software and hardware engineers
had a pad of paper marked IP.
Engineers were paid an incentive
to have ideas – to innovate.
IBM achieved that goal and
is riding the economic downterm
thanks to IP.
The world is now endlessly complex
and there are many global concerns
and potential disasters on the horizon. All of these problems
could be solved given suitable
innovation.
Maybe the time for
proprietary invention is gone
and we should start to share ideas
on how to innovate and how
to invent?
I think the time is
ripe to create a spirit of
Open Innovation. Why shouldn’t
we start it here in Bristol?
Steve
Steve,
A great insight there, but I think it misses the point. There *are* forums for innovation in Bristol. The problem being that the local bodies responsible for fostering and funding them just are not doing their job.
As an example, Bristol Media is an organisation that is set up to facilitate collaboration as you talk about above. Yet the local development agency don’t seem to have its funding as any priority.
-Matt
Oh well parried Matt.
But …
I wonder if the time is to think
bigger than ‘Media’ and think about
ideas and innovation?
Media was really just a good example
of disruption and innovation in the 1990’s…
What about climate change, science,
pharmocology, pervasive technologies,
food shortage…and add many more
to this list….
What do they all have in common?
the requirement for innovation.
My argument was that maybe the hub for Bristol should be on Ideation (yes americanism sorry) and Innovation or
Ideas not of purely of Digital Media.
Steve
Steve,
Again I think you miss the point. I’m sorry I can’t think quite that big and whilst I would like to solve the woes of every sector in the world, that is beyond what my brain can comprehend.
Not only that, but the examples you give above: climate change, science,
pharmocology, pervasive technologies, food shortage *are* fairly well understood and supported. I attended a HMRC R&D tax credit seminar and they were fully geared up to deal with companies doing stuff like that. Now I don’t know enough about those specific industries to know if they are getting the right funding to solve the right problems, but when I mentioned that my company basis its entire model on *not* owning the IP of something it generates (Open Source) I was actually laughed at by the HMRC.
To be frank, I don’t care about those sectors. They have their own funding bodies and no doubt their own problems. What I care about is that the Bristol New Media industry just really is not supported well. What we do doesn’t appear on the TV and isn’t a dilapidated building, hence SWRDA just don’t understand it.
-Matt
Interesting stuff! I often meet up with innovative local companies. If anyone wants to meet to discuss how we can be more successful in Bristol I can be reached via stephenwilliamsmp@parliament.uk or via Facebook
Thanks Stephen I would be happy to discuss Ideation, idea creation and Innovation.
Matt – I am playing devils
advocate here in the interests
of creating some energy
and debate. With all due respect I think you still have missed my
point. I am not advocating we
all becoming climate experts.
I am advocating that Bristol
specializes in being a hub
for “INNOVATION TOOLS”. Facilitating innovation?
The question is how
do you co-create ideas that cross
boundaries? How do you do ideation?
Something that is certain in today’s complex world is that nothing fits in a neat box anymore.
You might not personally care about climate change or the other
pressing issues in the world but they
will have an impact on innovation
in every field and every future
scenario you paint.
I would love to find a forum within Bristol to think outside the box.Think more widely. Think
about thinking that is innovative.
I have been facilitating and
creating proprietary innovation
in large companies for many years.
I know methods for facilitated
thinking can and do work.
But now I think the time is
right for an Open Source Innovation Tool Box. So many of the
tools that are used by top companies to create truly innovative ideas
in a systematic way are
proprietary, e.g. such as 6 Sigma,
de Bono’s tools, and many others.
The communication tools of web 2.0,
facebook, digital media, are part
of the picture. They are
powerful tools for social networking and social enterprise.
They are not an end in themselves.
As is pointed out in Wikkinomics
(a book everyone should read I believe).
The true innovation of web 2.0
is mass collaboration and the
three counter intuitive
principles of innovation:
Openness, Sharing and Peering….
I have a long history of
working with digital media
innovation , but I do not go
to the Watershed in the evening
because they have a fat internet
pipe. I go because they provoke
me with ideas facilitated through
digital media.
The festival of ideas I believe
is a step in the right direction.
The age of digital media is
dead, the age of social ideation
is here.
Steve
Steve,
“I have a long history of
working with digital media
innovation , but I do not go
to the Watershed in the evening
because they have a fat internet
pipe. I go because they provoke
me with ideas facilitated through
digital media.”
Right, but that fat internet pipe, and the collaboration of the companies on it (ie BMEX) is a facilitator to those ideas and people there in the Watershed, right? So what if you could expand that and have more locations, companies, people connected to this network and facilitate even more?
What I am saying is that it is the role of the regional agencies to help with that facilitation, and one sure way they can do that is to help fund some of these projects that are doing this.
Bristol Media is another example of an organisation that facilitates people getting together to work on these innovative ideas, in a way that crosses all disciplines of the media sector in Bristol. But their funding is likely to be reduced this year and limited to specific project-by-project funding.
-Matt
PS. ’social ideation’ ?!
I would agree that government does needs to fund basic infrastructure to enable the next level of services to enable the next layer.That is quite clear.
But I would welcome more ambition in
the scope of Bristol innovation beyond the technical space into the
idea generation space, innovation beyond just Digital Media. I think there is a bigger game for Bristol to play and the Bristol Media
folks could be key players
in that game.
Could Bristol be a hub for invention and idea creation – building on it’s many strengths?
As for Social Ideation’…
Social – i.e. involving lots of people of different disciplines.
Maybe face-to-face in a cluster
also connected over Web 2.0 style
social media.
Ideation – Idea+Creation.
Steve
Interesting post Andy.
Although I fundamentally disagree with some of it!
I don’t particularly want support from the government. I just don’t want them to make things hard for me and my business. And actually a cash payout might be nice… Generally they don’t get what we do and by the time they do; we’ve moved on…
“Too often the sense is that we are a ’supplier’ being ‘commissioned’ to ‘deliver outcomes’.”
This is a great quote – and frankly that’s generally exactly what we are… I am no customer of any government agency despite giving them all my hard earned taxes (but maybe that’s your point). However as a supplier being commissioned to deliver outcomes to them you realise how slow, beaurocratic and “scared” they are… This however is changing – keep an eye on South West RDA…
You’d be amazed how many of these government departments take advice from “brand/design” agencies on the web based technology industries. It’s like taking advice from a car body shop on how to make an engine…
These agencies (like SWRDA) need new blood, more understanding – and I think that’s coming – the problem is we’ve been here for a long time watching them slowly wake up to our industries… But we are just a tiny speck – look a what they are doing to encourage new energy, genetics, biotech and pharma – these are tangible so easier to grasp form the outset… We deal in a world of voodoo of bits and bytes and ethereal messing systems that send tweets and get responses from faceless phantoms that actually tells us how great or (or shit) we are…
I think my point is (getting a bit carried away here!), these bodies are waking up slowly, it’s just a shame it’s not at the same pace as the innovators – but then would they be innovators if they weren’t miles out in front with nobody understanding what they were doing?
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@Mark
“But we are just a tiny speck – look a what they are doing to encourage new energy, genetics, biotech and pharma – these are tangible so easier to grasp form the outset”
I thought that too, but thinking about it again… are they really tangible? I mean genetics… is that more tangible and understandable than our own industry?
Some guy (said he was a former journalist) on the train last night overheard convo between myself and colleagues and came over and said: ‘I really have no idea what you are talking about. I think of myself as a smart articulate guy, but just don’t understand the words you are saying’. We then had quite a long discussion about what sort of concepts someone looking from the outside needs to grasp and understand about (in this case) IT in general.
It was an interesting talk, and no doubt if I overheard to geneticists talking I would be in the same situation.
@ Mark – thanks for the response. I should be clear that as a business, we do supply government, and in that context we are very focussed on being a ’supplier delivering outcomes’. That’s right and good – it’s a straightforward commercial relationship, one we value and aim to constant improve (if that doesn’t sound too ’salesy’).
However stepping outside of my current business, and looking purely at support for innovation and creativity, the government agency attitude is definitely upside down. I’m sure others could supply examples of:
- the ‘dance monkey dance’ routine of opaque funding bids (and of being a funding recipient)
- the ‘brick wall’ of short term-ism, where a successful project is not invested in *even though the net benefits would be clear*
- the inherent problem of ‘fairness’ where investment is spread so thinly across regions or agencies that it fails to produce any return.
I do respect your rejection of government help (cash handouts for business are *not* what I’m talking about, they suck); I just don’t think you’ll find many examples of hot spring innovation clusters where there has been no local / regional / national government support. The core infrastructure of the internet itself (on which many of us base our innovative businesses) was not a privately funded venture, but an outcome of government and academic investment.
cheers,
Andy
Sorry my comment was a bit rushed as I had to nip off to my boy’s assembly…
@Matt – yes, you have a point. The tangibility is interesting in that genetics for example without knowing anything about it, if i said I was “researching the feasibility of isolating a cancer gene, can you help me?” – you would instantly get a grasp of what I/we were about – the internet creative industries don’t have this tangibility and neither is it frankly that innovative – when you see these “bedroom geneticists” doing this stuff at home with £1000 worth of equipment you see that it’s these guys that are the new hackers – the new geeks… The real innovators…
@Andy – it’s not that I disagree with the basic premise – the government should make idea flow and fruition easier, they should spend their money more efficiently – it’s that we all (me included) always expect this help but tend not do too much ourselves. We are all in a position to help each other, stimulate our own and others growth and then maybe the government might actually see this blip on the radar. Maybe.
We have a new thing we are doing with our clients where we recommend them to each other, three at a time and hopefully they will do the same – it’s not a big deal but it’s a seed of community and that’s the kind of stuff I want to see in the bigger picture.
btw Cash handouts may suck – but i’d still like one please.
Interesting discussion.
Interesting discussion. There is a significant amount of support available for innovation from the government and the RDA. There is a great desire from within these organisations to support creative businesses, the problem is as a business you satisfy investors with financial returns the RDA has to satisfy government with targets. Generally these targets don’t align with business needs.
Keen to identify a way in which the schemes can be used to support your aims and ambitions.
Most innovation funds do go to engineering based projects. This is partly due to being a tangible project but it is also becuase the enginneering busineses (mainly aerospace) are well equiped to lobbying government and invest time and money to do so.
Richard – thanks for the reply.
Ideally innovative creative businesses would be much better at creating a case for support. However small innovative businesses are ill-equipped to do this, and need to spend time directly on their product, service and customers. I guess it’s a chicken and egg problem. It looks like classic market failure to me (as in net benefits could be realised against an investment, but they can’t be produced by capitalist market forces alone).
Specifically compounding this are the issues I’ve outlined around inter-agency politics, and the issue you identified around government targets, which seems to result in a message of ‘no help here’ when businesses do invest in lobbying.
We had this same sort of conversation 4 years ago (and in fact a meeting of many companies) to discuss all this back when Bristol Media was very new.
4 years on I have to say that I have not felt the benefit of Bristol Media.
Bristol Media feels like a cluster, with a number of successful commercial companies reaping the main benefits at its core. Being devil’s advocate does this really need to be funded? It already has a number of highly promoted “sponsors”, and since it has been going for so long it should now surely be self supporting?
On another note, we have been on the receiving end of some recent SWRDA initiatives to improve and support creative industries. These have been a massive help to us in terms of mentoring and advice in areas where we would not have thought to pay for. We would wholly back any initiative to provide this to more up and coming creative companies, but perhaps this is where money is going in the funding restructure
Does anyone have details of what is intended to be funded instead of Bristol Media and 0117?
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